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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/8469932/Madeleine-McCann-time-to-forget.html
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I have just read a report concerning the death of a schoolgirl at a teenage party which was not supervised by the parents of the party's hostess. The hostess' father has been charged with child abandonment, among other things. This is surely an analogous case to that of the McCanns'? Is the reason why this girls parents have not been charged similarly because it is out of the jurisdiction of British police? Maybe there is no law relating to child abandonment in Portugal (hard to believe) and that is why the Portugese police have not charged the McCanns.
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Yes, there is a law of child abandonment in Portugal and IIRC is carries a compulsory jail sentence. I think it was hoped that the abandonment charge would have been subsumed within a major charge - which didn't happen. The case was shelved instead. The McCanns could have appealed the shelving to keep the case open - but failed to do so. AFAIK this is the first case of a missing child that has been shelved in Portugal. The parents can ask for the case to be re-opened and co-operate with the police - but haven't, so far.
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Olga Craig is just the latest in a long line of bimbo hackettes*, to trawl out all the xenophobic rubbish their little brains can think of, in order to discredit the Portuguese police and civilians. In fact they should be showing some gratitude for all the time, money and effort expended on a couple of negligent child neglectors, who would have been in a court long ago, had they been chavs from some sink estate.
*Bel Mooney, Lorraine Kelly, Fiona Phillips and my personal favourite, Antonella Lazzarelli. There are probably a lot more that I can't think of right now.
*Bel Mooney, Lorraine Kelly, Fiona Phillips and my personal favourite, Antonella Lazzarelli. There are probably a lot more that I can't think of right now.
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Well said, Brythonic. I'm appalled that the editor could allow such sensationalist, factually incorrect and libellous (imho) claims to be made against Goncalo Amaral. How dare she say "the locals did not handle the disappearance in a more organised – and less hysterical – manner" > these were the very people who generously gave of their time to search for Madeleine while Kate was "really busy" sitting in the apartment. What parents would rather go jogging than search for THEIR child??
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Yesterday 10:20 PM
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I find it incredible that this story keeps re-emerging each May.
Why does the media latch onto one child, one couple. Can anyone tell me in the four years how many children have gone missing?
I think the negativity towards the parents may in part be fuelled by the anger that people felt towards their utter selfishness on leaving them to have dinner in the first place
Always wondered if anyone asked them the question
"Well Was it worth it then?"
Why does the media latch onto one child, one couple. Can anyone tell me in the four years how many children have gone missing?
I think the negativity towards the parents may in part be fuelled by the anger that people felt towards their utter selfishness on leaving them to have dinner in the first place
Always wondered if anyone asked them the question
"Well Was it worth it then?"
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Yesterday 09:58 PM
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Very sad what happened to this poor child but something doesnt add up in the storys of the parents, i think they know a lot more than they let on about that night... all i know that if i had a child and it went missing like poor madeline then i would not be able to return to work and carry on as thou nothing had happened a few months later, im sure most parents wouldnt give a damn about their job and would spend every waking moment trying to find out what happened to their child.. unlike these two who went back to work( esp the father!!!!) and payed out thousands from well meaning donations to hire a PR man!!! (and pay off their debts and loans on their house at the same time!!!)
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Yesterday 11:39 PM
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tomkyle
Yesterday 08:35 PM
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They left their children and were certainly irresponsible. It is funny how often people on holiday take leave of their normal sensitivity to harm and danger that lurks everywhere when sensible and basic common sense precautions are seemingly ignored in their " holiday minds".
It is a great tragedy for them all, and the poor child who is alive or dead, we simply do not know.
What has truly astonished me is the level of nasty comments on this thread. Absolutely ugly, and all I can say is that these people must be perfection in human form. What a nasty thought...
It is a great tragedy for them all, and the poor child who is alive or dead, we simply do not know.
What has truly astonished me is the level of nasty comments on this thread. Absolutely ugly, and all I can say is that these people must be perfection in human form. What a nasty thought...
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If by perfection you mean a complete lack of empathy and humanity, I agree completely. It is a shame that this sad tragedy seems to bring out the worst in some people, and the need to attack a couple who have lost their child by rehashing over and over again the fact that they left their children alone.
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Yesterday 08:52 PM
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Yes, I do indeed mean that the level of vituperation and cruelty is just appalling. Of course, it is natural I suppose, to lash out at those responsible for the neglect that led to this child's immiseration, but they have suffered what I can't even imagine is beyond hell. The fact that fellow human beings would continue to shower them with opprobrium and cruelty now is just sickening. It is stunningly cruel. The cruelty that the viciously perfect alone can muster.
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Yesterday 09:11 PM
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I have read a translation of Goncalo Amaral's book...
So shall not be buying the McCann book; the profits from which will be used by the McCanns to evade justice and to further their campaign of destroying those who, like Amaral, joined the dots. The circumstantial evidence against the couple appears strong... and they have never been cleared of wrongdoing:- the case has been rested, pending new evidence.
This article is a toadying plug for the fantasy version of events Kate McCann wants people to spend their cash on buying into. I would post a link to the Amaral translation, but it's sure to get deleted.
So shall not be buying the McCann book; the profits from which will be used by the McCanns to evade justice and to further their campaign of destroying those who, like Amaral, joined the dots. The circumstantial evidence against the couple appears strong... and they have never been cleared of wrongdoing:- the case has been rested, pending new evidence.
This article is a toadying plug for the fantasy version of events Kate McCann wants people to spend their cash on buying into. I would post a link to the Amaral translation, but it's sure to get deleted.
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Yesterday 11:30 PM
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Ah, yes Goncalo Amaral who is facing charges in court right now for botching the investigation of another little girl's disappearance in Portugal. He's a complete doozy. If you are relying on that kind of eejit for your information then you are exercising blind faith rather than reason I would suggest.
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"There were no indications of the practice of any crime."
http://i53.tinypic.com/30sv9xk.jpg
(from the Public Prosecuter's Archiving Despatch)
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http://i53.tinypic.com/30sv9xk.jpg
(from the Public Prosecuter's Archiving Despatch)
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scarifier
24 minutes ago
From twitter RT @Flossysplace: Madeleine McCann: time to forget? - Telegraph http://t.co/ByFUQJg via @Telegraph - comments still going, now 161
Flossysplace
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From twitter Madeleine McCann: time to forget? - Telegraph http://t.co/ByFUQJg via @Telegraph - comments still going, now 161
veniviedivici
Yesterday 08:40 PM
NotFinancialAdv
Yesterday 06:27 PM
From twitter Why don't these useless, selfish pair, shut the fuck up. Madeleine McCann: time to forget? - Telegraph http://t.co/jVQuzJV via @Telegraph
laci200
Yesterday 02:57 PM
From twitter RT @spudgun01: #Madeleine #McCann Time to Forget?? Categorically not! The only thing that it IS time to forget is the BULLSHIT! http://bit.ly/evGROs
justice4maddie
Yesterday 01:16 PM
From twitter RT @w_nicht: Madeleine McCann: time to forget? Olga Craig an other #mccann fool,pathetic http://bit.ly/dJSxYL via @addthis
justice4maddie
Yesterday 01:16 PM
From twitter RT @w_nicht: Madeleine #McCann /Grab,abduction,abduction...etc. The Police UK/PT suspected the parents. http://bit.ly/dJSxYL via @addthis
justice4maddie
Yesterday 01:16 PM
From twitter RT @w_nicht: Madeleine #McCann: time to forget? - Telegraph: http://bit.ly/dJSxYL This stupid woman can't even get the names right,who is Sonia? ROLF
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Jill Dando - Barry George fitted up
Jean Charles de Menezes - nobody found guilty. Cressida Dick (Commander in charge) promoted.
Birmingham 6 - police found to have tampered with evidence but not prosecuted because of 'adverse publicity'
Carl Bridgewater - police found to have fabricated evidence
I could go on...
Something to consider before we blithely criticise the Portuguese Police.
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Bolleaux. my dear foreign correspondent, if I may be so bold. The hysteria was on the part of the British media that jetted 'star' reporters such as the BBC's Jane Hill into Praia da Luz expecting the usual press conferences and slavish police cooperation as they would receive in the UK. Unfortunately, none of them took the trouble to read Portuguese law, which forbids the police and authorities from commenting on an ongoing case. Met by a legally imposed stone wall, the 'stars' got the hump and then started making petulant comments about incompetent 'locals' and Mediterranean' police in shiny riding boots and sunglasses, which I find more than a little racist to be honest.
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For those that don't know, a dingo did indeed take the child and regardless of how many people think they know how a mother should react under those conditions, Lindy Chamberlain was innocent. The vast number of people that wisely nodded in agreement at her purported guilt when they discussed the case will always owe her an apology.
I find it hard to understand how people can assume they "know" how a person should behave when put under the most incredibly stressful and unique circumstances. Is their knowledge gained from personal experience, I think not. Maybe a lifetime of watching crime drama imbues this knowledge. Unfortunately while drama always has to have its twists and turns ( it wouldn't be drama otherwise), life is far more mundane. The Chamberlains claimed a dingo took their child and it did. The McCann's say that their child was abducted. Unless the authorities can show compelling evidence in court which proves otherwise I will be sympathetic to their cause and remember their pain at being thrust into the most dreadful circumstances that anyone can imagine.
I can only hope the outcome for the McCanns is positive and saves them any more distress.
It was instilled in me as a child that displays of grief in public were completely unacceptable. I broke this rule when weeping at the funeral of a beloved grandmother and my lack of self-control was made quite clear to me by other family members.
This will doubtless seem odd to a generation (or two) raised on public wailing and disclosure but I now feel the old way was better and more considerate of others - a concept which has also disappeared.
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Answering official police questioning would be a start. I am pretty confident that is an appropriate response to the grief of losing your child, especially just after it has happened and there is a good chance of recovering her.
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"Gerry McCann is in the US on a four-day fact-finding visit to learn about the work of specialist agencies in preventing child trafficking and sexual abuse."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1558245/Madeleine-McCanns-father-visits-the-US.html
If it had been me I would still have been in Portugal looking?
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I would have searched again. If she had indeed been kidnapped it is highly plausable that she would have been moved from one place to another.
I would not have been 4000 miles away.
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I find that most peculiar....surely SOMEBODY must have seen SOMETHING....
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A friend of the Mccanns saw a man with a child in pyjamas at around 9.15pm, but did not see their face.
A group of Irish people saw a man with a girl in pyjamas at 10pm on their way home.
Other than that, not alot really. But there are a few stories of people seeing *dodgy* people around the area from six months before to the days before the abduction.
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Well apart from the fact that the child went missing after 9:30 at night and it was dark. So dark, that one of the members of the holidaying group said they felt uneasy walking back to their apartment.
It does make you wonder how scared their daughter would have been if she'd left through the door they left unlocked for her, in case she wanted to come looking for them.
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And how miserable researched.
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A number of people out there know Madeleine as she is today and others will know that she suddenly appeared from nowhere. It's time to come clean and return her to her loved ones. Alright they were irresponsible and they will regret it for the rest of their lives, or until she is restored to them.
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Ridiculous! Paranoid! Of course it is.
So much condemnation of the McCanns on this page but none for the evil person, or persons, who stole and perhaps have abused and murdered their child.
Odd set of values some people have.
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But you won't, will you – because there isn't any, is there?
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