I am unsure why this should be considered an unusual issue. The parents would have to be suspects in any case until they were eliminated as such from the investigation. Portuguese police would no doubt have provided British police with any evidence they had which implicated the McCanns in the course of this. The fact that no charges were brought in either Portugal or the UK must surely have demonstrated that neither police force felt there was any evidence to pursue that particular line of enquiry any further. In short the police on both sides were simply doing their jobs.
When I look at Kate I see a destroyed woman, her face is etched with grief & sadness.
Gerry is still trying to keep the Status Quo, too sad for words.
God bless Madeleine McCann
Gerry is still trying to keep the Status Quo, too sad for words.
God bless Madeleine McCann
I don't know who is guilty in this case, but I do know that there is one young child who is innocent. Could I politely ask that the DM not always feel the need to include a photo of her in every story dragged up about this case. Let her at least rest in peace.
All these negative red arrows against people supporting the INNOCENT McCanns really appalls me!
Are so many people really that bigotted and ignorant?
Are so many people really that bigotted and ignorant?
stop McCann bashing and soften your heart, put yourself in their place. Not one of us is perfect.
Victoria Smith, Spain, 14/12/2010 09:05
No none of us is perfect however there is a difference between a momentary lapse of concentration and deleberitly leaving a child in a room for hours on end with no adult supervision because you "did not want a stranger" looking after your child or would not pay for the hotels baby sitting service.
My wife and I have brought up two children one who has autisum and would never have left either of them alone while we went out and ate.
We always ate with them and while they slepped we would sit on the hotel rooms balcony and have adult time! You bring children into the world and they are your responsibility alone to protect them.
Its only because these two are doctors with a middle class background that they have not been charged with neglect!!!!!!!!!!
Victoria Smith, Spain, 14/12/2010 09:05
No none of us is perfect however there is a difference between a momentary lapse of concentration and deleberitly leaving a child in a room for hours on end with no adult supervision because you "did not want a stranger" looking after your child or would not pay for the hotels baby sitting service.
My wife and I have brought up two children one who has autisum and would never have left either of them alone while we went out and ate.
We always ate with them and while they slepped we would sit on the hotel rooms balcony and have adult time! You bring children into the world and they are your responsibility alone to protect them.
Its only because these two are doctors with a middle class background that they have not been charged with neglect!!!!!!!!!!
Not this again-stop giving these pathetic excuses for parents publicity. Sorry,Wikileaks this is one case we DON'T want to hear any more about
All the most sensible, honest and logical answers get red arrowed, some strange people out there.
Look at Jamie bulger, his mother let go of his hand for a few minutes to pay the butcher, was she neglectful, no, was her child abducted, yes.
- Victoria Smith, Spain, 14/12/2010 9:05
Letting go of a child's hand for a moment in a public place where you would expect someone to see them being abducted and help is not the same as leaving three children under the age of 4 in a hotel room for hours on end in a foreign country where no-one will notice they're gone for over an hour. It would be a terrible case of neglect if she hadn't been abducted, so many things could have gone wrong.
Please, all the people who defend the McCann's and claim they're not at least 50% responsible for what happened to their daughter would be howling for their execution if they were poor and lived on a council estate!
- Victoria Smith, Spain, 14/12/2010 9:05
Letting go of a child's hand for a moment in a public place where you would expect someone to see them being abducted and help is not the same as leaving three children under the age of 4 in a hotel room for hours on end in a foreign country where no-one will notice they're gone for over an hour. It would be a terrible case of neglect if she hadn't been abducted, so many things could have gone wrong.
Please, all the people who defend the McCann's and claim they're not at least 50% responsible for what happened to their daughter would be howling for their execution if they were poor and lived on a council estate!
I don't find this pair to be very deserving of sympathy in fact I wish they would disappear and get on with their lives.
- Boudica Smithers, London, 14/12/2010 09:12
It makes me feel sick when people like you take the time out of your day to make poisonous comments like that. Why don't you disappear and get on with your life. Yuck.
- Boudica Smithers, London, 14/12/2010 09:12
It makes me feel sick when people like you take the time out of your day to make poisonous comments like that. Why don't you disappear and get on with your life. Yuck.
Why have they never been charged with anything.
The least should have been neglect.
The least should have been neglect.
Oh dear.
Rather snags their *useless Portugese plod* line now doesn't it !
Rather snags their *useless Portugese plod* line now doesn't it !
This sounds like a "performance related" police story. I though people were considered innocent until proven guilty. There is a fine line to be drawn between "building a case" and pursuing a vendetta! Objective analysis is what the courts call for - are the police above this sort of thing!
Outsiders view regarding the leakes. If this was a leak regarding US, comments would have all sort of CIA connections, and conspiracy theories. You should all just read the posts, it really does depend upon the nation. I've posted the same comment on the same story several times, One with US as the country, the Other, say something like York, Or London. I get red arrowed with US, and Greened with UK.
I cannot understand how this couple blame EVERYONE ELSE but themselves and will not accept that had they not left their children (even after Maddy pleaded with mum the night before about being left alone) then this would never have happened.
- alma mater, gateshead, 14/12/2010 09:33
How insensitive and utterly ignorant you are. They do not blame me, nor do they blame you, but I bet they do blame themselves every day for leaving their child unattended regardless of how safe they beleived they were.
They want their child back and they are prepared to make as much noise as possible to try to make that happen.
What would you do? go down the pub and forget about her?
- alma mater, gateshead, 14/12/2010 09:33
How insensitive and utterly ignorant you are. They do not blame me, nor do they blame you, but I bet they do blame themselves every day for leaving their child unattended regardless of how safe they beleived they were.
They want their child back and they are prepared to make as much noise as possible to try to make that happen.
What would you do? go down the pub and forget about her?
- Victoria Smith, Spain, 14/12/2010 9:05
I don't know how you can compare letting go of a child's hand whilst paying the butcher; and leaving children in an apartment without adult supervision whilst going out for the evening boozing, the same thing.
I don't know how you can compare letting go of a child's hand whilst paying the butcher; and leaving children in an apartment without adult supervision whilst going out for the evening boozing, the same thing.
This groundswell of hatred against the McCann's is a part of the malaise that has afflicted the people of Britain - it is truly disgusting to see people turn on them and those who have made damning judgements should hang their heads in shame.
The fact that the feckless police have turned on the innocent is of absolutely no surprise - they are ineffective at catching the guilty, so who else are they supposed to waste their time on?
No small wonder Britain is a faint shadow of its former self...
The fact that the feckless police have turned on the innocent is of absolutely no surprise - they are ineffective at catching the guilty, so who else are they supposed to waste their time on?
No small wonder Britain is a faint shadow of its former self...
Of course the Police in the UK helped out with the enquiry. Most of the detractors here would have been the ones baying for blood, had it eventually become apparent that they had something to do with the events. Without any requests from Portugal, as the events were unfolding, it would be natural and proper for enquiries to be made in this country. There were other children in the family who might need protection. I know that some will not believe this but it's true. Modern major police enquiries are not geared specifically to gathering evidence that someone "did something" but more to proving that no one else did. A subtle difference! I am not saying for one minute that the McCann's did anything other than make a stupid mistake but if it had been otherwise, wouldn't you want to know for the protection of your children?
Parents in cases such as this are always suspects based upon experience of previous cases. It would be neglectful on the part of Portuguese and British police if this line of enquiry was not explored.
Madeleine would still be in the bosom of her family if she had not been abandoned that fateful evening. So all those who feel sorry for the McCanns, feel sorry for Madeline as she is the victim in this debacle and and the law did not take its true course.
It the McCann bashing that let the true culprit(s) get away. Makes it easier for the police to not continue looking.
" Look at Jamie bulger, his mother let go of his hand for a few minutes to pay the butcher, was she neglectful, no, was her child abducted, "- Victoria Smith, Spain, 14/12/2010 9:05
What a stupid stupid comment - how dare you even attempt to make out the cases are even slightly similar. The McCanns left 3 children under 4 in an unlocked room that they checked every half an hour. The worst case scenario happened. They must live with the fact that they were not there when their child needed them through their own selfishness. Denise Bulger had her son lurred away from under her nose. She had done everything correctly but had not factored in sheer evil. Put simply The McCanns took a risk that was not worth taking.
What a stupid stupid comment - how dare you even attempt to make out the cases are even slightly similar. The McCanns left 3 children under 4 in an unlocked room that they checked every half an hour. The worst case scenario happened. They must live with the fact that they were not there when their child needed them through their own selfishness. Denise Bulger had her son lurred away from under her nose. She had done everything correctly but had not factored in sheer evil. Put simply The McCanns took a risk that was not worth taking.
So instead of actually looking for a
Missing child, it seems police in both countries were far more preoccupied in building a case against her parents!
At the start I was one of those who blamed the parents but surely any recrimation should be saved until after she is found. Maybe if the police had dumped their preconceptions at the time and instead invested that energy in searching for maddie, she would be home today.
And for those of you who say you wish the mcanns would go away, what a truly idiotic comment to make. If your child was taken would you just shut up and go away? Or would you be tearing the world apart and do anything you could to find them?
A child is still missing, this should be the main focus.
Missing child, it seems police in both countries were far more preoccupied in building a case against her parents!
At the start I was one of those who blamed the parents but surely any recrimation should be saved until after she is found. Maybe if the police had dumped their preconceptions at the time and instead invested that energy in searching for maddie, she would be home today.
And for those of you who say you wish the mcanns would go away, what a truly idiotic comment to make. If your child was taken would you just shut up and go away? Or would you be tearing the world apart and do anything you could to find them?
A child is still missing, this should be the main focus.
'Developing evidence' is just Police speak for taking a snippet that comes into the incident room and seeing what is behind it. Taking it as far as it will go.
'Following it up' in normal language.
Nothing sinister
'Following it up' in normal language.
Nothing sinister
stop McCann bashing and soften your heart, put yourself in their place. Not one of us is perfect.
- Victoria Smith, Spain, 14/12/2010 09:05
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Not one of us is perfect, no. But very, very few of us have left our small children alone to go out boozing. That's the difference.
- Victoria Smith, Spain, 14/12/2010 09:05
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Not one of us is perfect, no. But very, very few of us have left our small children alone to go out boozing. That's the difference.
There was a terrible case similar in NY a few years ago. Poor womans babysitter didnt arrive, she had to go to work (at a mdconalds). She had to leave small children for approx an hour or two, until a relative arrived. She didnt want to lose her job. of course a fire starts, children die. at first she was arrested for neglect, than I think some common sense took over realizing this poor woman didn't know what to do. (oh the fire was arson, by one of the childrens fathers) I'm sure she'd rather be dead than a survivor. Now this woman felt she had no choice, a recent immigrant, etc. These Doctors certainly had a choice. BUT, if one of these pedaphiles targets your child, they are going to get that child one way or another.
Errmm, isn't that the role of the police - to develop a case against those suspected, gather available evidence, investigate leads and so on. I would be concerned indeed if the police acted in any other way during the course of investigation.
So, Wikileaks is just a series of gossipy, unsubstantiated notes between colleagues. The McCanns neglected their children which is how Madeleine disappeared but I wish she could be found to bring everyone concerned peace.
Sounds like the Police were trying to set them up. The question we now need to answer is, who gave the order?
- David, London UK, 14/12/2010 8:28
It does not sound like the Police were trying to 'set them up'. Are you suggesting that both the Portugese and British Police, for some bizarre reason, got their heads together and decided to set the McCanns up? What a load of poppycock. Its an absurd claim don't you think? You people need to read the article properly.The police were doing what they are employed to do, investigating a crime. They would be c**p Police if they didn't look at all the evidence.
- David, London UK, 14/12/2010 8:28
It does not sound like the Police were trying to 'set them up'. Are you suggesting that both the Portugese and British Police, for some bizarre reason, got their heads together and decided to set the McCanns up? What a load of poppycock. Its an absurd claim don't you think? You people need to read the article properly.The police were doing what they are employed to do, investigating a crime. They would be c**p Police if they didn't look at all the evidence.
What are some of the people supporting the McCanns on?
I don't know whether they are innocent or not. But to claim that they had to "struggle to get the authorities into action". What a crock, that couple was given far more attention, time and resources of police and other authorities and money from the public than any other parent of a missing child in history. Yet they are still whining that it has not been enough, no gratitude.
I don't know whether they are innocent or not. But to claim that they had to "struggle to get the authorities into action". What a crock, that couple was given far more attention, time and resources of police and other authorities and money from the public than any other parent of a missing child in history. Yet they are still whining that it has not been enough, no gratitude.
Does not matter what anyone says, at the end of the day they would not be in this awful position if they had done what any good parent should do and that is get a baby sitter! They are both doctors so one would hope NOT stupid yet they did not think their daughters were worth paying for a sitter, I am sorry but is their own fault!
And yes we all do make mistakes but come on who in their right mind would leave their kids on their own in a foreign country??
How many people have done this in the uk,been found out and then done, yet nothing has happened to them?
And yes we all do make mistakes but come on who in their right mind would leave their kids on their own in a foreign country??
How many people have done this in the uk,been found out and then done, yet nothing has happened to them?
I cannot understand how this couple blame EVERYONE ELSE but themselves and will not accept that had they not left their children (even after Maddy pleaded with mum the night before about being left alone) then this would never have happened.
But no-one of you ever makes mistakes, this family have to live with what they did, don`t you think what they did goes through their heads everyday?. But they have to live with it, that feeling will never leave them. Stop stating the obvious,instead why don`t you all think of the person who broke in and took a sleeping little girl from her bed, surely he is the focal point of your anger! we hopefully will never feel their pain.
- dwc, glasgow
Thank you!! Some non-hysterical sense spoken on this subject at last. The parents made one terrible, stupid mistake and they are paying for it every single moment of every single day. Meanwhile while all the self-righteous Daily Mail reading parents pour bile on these two the real villian of the piece, the abductor gets absolutely no negative press at all. No doubt I'll get a ton of red arrows but just think about what it must feel like on a human level to lose a child and have a bit of compassion, even DM readers can manage that surely?
- dwc, glasgow
Thank you!! Some non-hysterical sense spoken on this subject at last. The parents made one terrible, stupid mistake and they are paying for it every single moment of every single day. Meanwhile while all the self-righteous Daily Mail reading parents pour bile on these two the real villian of the piece, the abductor gets absolutely no negative press at all. No doubt I'll get a ton of red arrows but just think about what it must feel like on a human level to lose a child and have a bit of compassion, even DM readers can manage that surely?
The UK's ambassador to Portugal, Alexander Wykeham Ellis, told his American counterpart that police in Britain were working with Portuguese officers to build a case against the McCanns
What part of this statement merits red arrowing the McCanns????
I sincerely hope none of you are called for `Jury service' - for the sakes of the innocent.
What part of this statement merits red arrowing the McCanns????
I sincerely hope none of you are called for `Jury service' - for the sakes of the innocent.
These people are doctors, so they are supposed to be intelligent. Who is in right mind would leave his babies on their own in foreign holiday resort to go out to have dinner? Even a chav would not do thaty!
I think its terrible how people make such statement about the McCanns, they made one mistake so lets blame them. The truth is the police have no more idea what happened to madeline than the man on the moon so lets wrap this whole thing up quickly as they dont want to waste any more money or time on it so lets blame the parents. I hope none of you lose a child and end up getting the same treatment as these poor parents have.
How do you "develop" evidence? You can FIND evidence, but it's either there to be found or it isn't. Or is "develop" a euphamism for "fit up"?
Are we expected to seriously believe that the McCanns murdered their daughter, spirited the body away & hid it well enough that it's never been found, all under the glare of the media spotlight?
The McCanns were extraordinarily stupid & careless but murderers? No way...
Are we expected to seriously believe that the McCanns murdered their daughter, spirited the body away & hid it well enough that it's never been found, all under the glare of the media spotlight?
The McCanns were extraordinarily stupid & careless but murderers? No way...
Where IS this child... ? the torment is unbearable...
I don't find this pair to be very deserving of sympathy in fact I wish they would disappear and get on with their lives.
They should have been charged with neglect, they would have been if they had left their children alone in England.
Here we go again, let´s come out against the McCanns. Yes, these people did leave their children, no, they should not have done that. But in my view that still does not give anyone the right to go and abduct a child from it´s own home/holiday home. The McCanns are always made to be the villains here, but the true villain is the person(s) who took Madeleine, let us not forget that. Look at Jamie bulger, his mother let go of his hand for a few minutes to pay the butcher, was she neglectful, no, was her child abducted, yes. It is obvious to me that the McCanns love their children. If you want someone prosecuted for child neglect you don´t have to look far, it is rife everywhere. Leave these people alone, think of the agony they are going through and have some human mercy - stop McCann bashing and soften your heart, put yourself in their place. Not one of us is perfect.
I agree, why haven't they been charged with neglect and the other children taken in to care. It's happen to other parents so what is different here?
Yes it is very sad that she is missing and I hate to think what she went (or may be even is still going) through, but to keep blaming everyone else is not on. Especially as they put their pleasure ahead of their children's safety.
My children were so precious to me I wouldn't even leave them in the car when I went to pay for petrol, let alone leave them on their own when I went boozing!
Yes it is very sad that she is missing and I hate to think what she went (or may be even is still going) through, but to keep blaming everyone else is not on. Especially as they put their pleasure ahead of their children's safety.
My children were so precious to me I wouldn't even leave them in the car when I went to pay for petrol, let alone leave them on their own when I went boozing!
If a girl was raped would she then be responsible for her assault because she went out dressed in short skirt and a low top? The McCanns went for supper in a bar overlooking were their children slept, not out clubbing for the night or drinking in town until the early hours. The only person who is at fault is the perpetrator of the crime; the paedophile who came into the room and took Madeleine.
I'm another who thinks the mcanns should have been prosecuted for neglect.
Not saying they harmed the girl but just as guilty as those who may have done since they left her open to her fate by not being there to protect her.
They should never be allowed to forget their part in this.
I have never felt sorry for them at all,they caused their own situation.
Not saying they harmed the girl but just as guilty as those who may have done since they left her open to her fate by not being there to protect her.
They should never be allowed to forget their part in this.
I have never felt sorry for them at all,they caused their own situation.
As soon as I heard that the Police in Portugal were turning the blame onto the parents after, frankly, an appalling "investigation" when they let so much time and evidence pass them by, I thought, ah - the British way - shift to blaming the parents for system incompetence. Under the Labour Government Britain has become master at that game.
Any chance someone might now try to FIND this abducted little girl???
Any chance someone might now try to FIND this abducted little girl???
When a British subject is suspected of a crime overseas it is quite natural for them to be requested to investigate the background of that subject.
If the McCanns had nothing to hide then that's what the police would have found.There is no need for all these anti comments, they would have been treated no differently than any other suspect from overseas. It is called Police Co-operation, usually through an organisation called Interpol based in Paris.
If the McCanns had nothing to hide then that's what the police would have found.There is no need for all these anti comments, they would have been treated no differently than any other suspect from overseas. It is called Police Co-operation, usually through an organisation called Interpol based in Paris.
If the mc canns did not leave there kids in the apartment on there own whilst they socialised with friends ,this would not have happened , they should have been charged with neglect , but no lets blame the police anything but themselves .
- john, london, 14/12/2010
I agree with you here John of London I think the McCanns should be charged with child neglect. But some people want to just blame the police for doing their job properly and exploring every avenue and it would be normal police proceadure to investigate the McCanns
- john, london, 14/12/2010
I agree with you here John of London I think the McCanns should be charged with child neglect. But some people want to just blame the police for doing their job properly and exploring every avenue and it would be normal police proceadure to investigate the McCanns
But no-one of you ever makes mistakes, this family have to live with what they did, don`t you think what they did goes through their heads everyday?. But they have to live with it, that feeling will never leave them. Stop stating the obvious,instead why don`t you all think of the person who broke in and took a sleeping little girl from her bed, surely he is the focal point of your anger! we hopefully will never feel their pain. Good luck to them, I hope they one day find that wee soul.
How easily people will go into denial. This article does not say the evidence was fabricated merely that the police were involved in the case. There were plenty of leads to initialize this investigation which should (IMHO) still be open.
And as usual the bully boy/girl ghouls come out to give the McCann family a verbal kicking. What a bunch of low life.
If I had abandoned my children to go drinking and enjoying myself I would hide my head in shame. I would not try to blame everyone else for my disgusting neglect. Had it been poorer people they would have had the other children taken away from them and been charged with neglect. What ever happened to Madeline it is their fault and no one else. Called diverting attention.
Sounds like the Police were trying to set them up. The question we now need to answer is, who gave the order?
Misleading headline - it does not mean the British police were fabricating evidence, as some readers appear to read it!
The British police like to accuse the victims of crime; even if they cannot prove anything it gives them an excuse to stop investigating.
The inference is that, we know who is guilty, the victims, but we cannot prove it unfortunately.
Basically they are just looking for excuses to do nothing.
P. Brennan
The inference is that, we know who is guilty, the victims, but we cannot prove it unfortunately.
Basically they are just looking for excuses to do nothing.
P. Brennan
Surely it's entirely right that they were suspects. It's the duty of the police to investigate every possibility.
Sounds to me as though Wikileaks is grabbing at straws.
This is no secret, it was there in the media for everyone to see.
When their arguido status was lifted it was shown there was no evidence.
Wikileaks is now proving that all they are doing is publishing old news.
This is no secret, it was there in the media for everyone to see.
When their arguido status was lifted it was shown there was no evidence.
Wikileaks is now proving that all they are doing is publishing old news.
The whole case was a mess from start to finish but that should never disguise the fact that leaving children of that age in a holiday apartment while you party with friends is unforgivable and they should have been charged with child neglect.
The only thing proved against the McCanns is neglect. They left their children alone while enjoying a dinner with friends and left the children in an apartment alone.
it does not suprise me to learn that the british police were involved in trying to frame the McCann's. Unfortunatly our once proud police have become political. Integretary and honisty have gone out of the window.
Simply you cannot now trust the police. They were trying to cover up incompitence by their forign counterparts just as they cover up failings back home.
I feel very sorry for the McCann's with what they went through in trying to get their daughter back, The police should appologise.
Simply you cannot now trust the police. They were trying to cover up incompitence by their forign counterparts just as they cover up failings back home.
I feel very sorry for the McCann's with what they went through in trying to get their daughter back, The police should appologise.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338421/British-police-developed-evidence-McCanns-WikiLeaks-cable-claims.html#ixzz185qTNSMP
You have taken the word "development" in complety the wrong way.
Why?